Live Behind the Veil

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Summary

This conversation focuses on how independence works against the oneness God is creating within His Family. The Family emphasizes that true oneness does not come through human agreement, common ideas, organizational leadership, or intellectual understanding. It comes through hearing the voice of the Lord, submitting to His Spirit, and living in the awareness of His presence. The anointing is described as the presence of the Lord living within each believer. Because Christ dwells within every member of the Family, each person has something important to contribute. Ministry is not simply found in the words a person speaks, but in who that person has become through Christ. The Family also emphasizes that the mind and soul can interfere with oneness when they operate independently from the Lord. As believers submit their thoughts, emotions, and desires to Christ, they are able to express the life of Christ within them. The presence of the Father becomes the strength and lifeblood of the Body, enabling every member to take their place and function together in true oneness.

Show Notes

Independence Works Against Oneness

The conversation begins with the clear statement that independence is the enemy of oneness. The Family is not meant to function as separate individuals following their own ideas or understanding. They are called to hear the Lord together and move according to what He is speaking.

Hearing the Voice of the Lord

True leadership comes through someone hearing and speaking a word from the Lord. The focus is not on human position or authority, but on recognizing the voice of Christ and following His direction.

The Anointing Is the Presence of the Lord

The anointing is described as the presence of the Lord living within the believer. It is not something that can be fully understood through the human mind. It is experienced as the Spirit of God lives, speaks, and ministers through His people.

Every Member Is Important

Each member gives their spirit to the oneness of the Family. No person is insignificant or unnecessary. Like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, the Body is not complete until every member is in their proper place.

Ministry Flows From Who We Are

Ministry is not limited to what someone says or does. The effect of who a person has become in Christ ministers life to the rest of the Family. Christ within each believer is the source of that ministry.

Submitting the Mind and Soul

The mind and soul often try to interfere with what the Lord is doing. As believers submit to His Word, Spirit, and love, they enter into humility and become more aware of His presence.

The Father’s Presence Is Our Strength

The conversation closes with the importance of living in the awareness that the Father is always present. His presence gives an inner strength that allows believers to express Christ instead of reacting from the soul or mind.

Key Quotes

• “Independence is the enemy of oneness.”
• “The Spirit is what makes us one.”
• “You are important because you give your spirit to oneness.”
• “The anointing is giving God His voice.”
• “It’s not what you say; it’s who you are.”
• “Without His presence, we can’t function in this Body.”
• “It’s Christ in me, the hope of glory.”
• “The presence of the Father is the main thing.”
• “He’s always with us. He never leaves us.”

Scriptural References

Hearing the Voice of the Lord

John 10 (27) Jesus says that His sheep hear His voice, He knows them, and they follow Him.

The Anointing Within the Believer

1 John 2 (27) The anointing received from the Lord abides within believers and teaches them to remain in Him.

Brought Into His Light

1 Peter 2 (9) God has called His people out of darkness and into His marvelous light.

Christ’s Prayer for Oneness

John 17 (20–23) Jesus prayed that His followers would be one as He and the Father are one.

Christ Within Us

Colossians 1 (27) Paul describes Christ within the believer as the hope of glory.

The Temple of the Holy Spirit

1 Corinthians 6 (19–20) Believers are temples of the Holy Spirit, who dwells within them.

The Joy of the Lord Is Our Strength

Nehemiah 8 (10) The joy of the Lord is the strength of His people.

God Will Never Leave Us

Hebrews 13 (5) God promises that He will never leave or forsake His people.

Every Member Is Needed

1 Corinthians 12 (12–27) The Body of Christ has many members, and every member is necessary and important.

Sons Through Adoption

Romans 8 (14–17) Those who are led by the Spirit of God are His sons and have received the Spirit of adoption.

Takeaway

True oneness cannot be produced through human effort, shared opinions, or organizational structure. It comes as each member rejects independence, hears the Lord, submits the mind and soul to His Spirit, and contributes the life of Christ within them to the Family. Every member is important because every member carries the presence of the Lord. As the Family lives in an awareness of the Father’s presence, His life flows through the Body and...

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Summary

This conversation focuses on entering the kingdom rest that God has already provided through Christ. The Family explains that the Sabbath is more than a particular day; it is a spiritual state of heart found in a living relationship with the Lord. Christ Himself is our rest, and believers are called to recognize that God has already completed the work necessary for salvation and spiritual growth. Rather than striving to earn God’s approval or trying to create peace, joy, love, and spiritual life through human effort, believers can receive what already exists in Christ. This rest does not mean inactivity. It includes worship, trust, obedience, and consciously turning the heart toward the presence of the Lord. The Family also emphasizes that rest removes fear. When believers trust God’s sovereignty and know that He hears them, they no longer need to be controlled by circumstances, feelings of unworthiness, or fear about what is happening in the world. Entering His rest means believing that God is in charge, receiving His provision, and allowing His presence to influence every part of life.

Show Notes

The Sabbath Is More Than a Day

The Sabbath rest is not limited to Saturday or to the observance of a religious practice. It is an experience of Christ and a revelation that God has already completed the necessary work through Him.

Christ Is Our Rest

True rest is found in relationship with Christ. It is the assurance that He lives within us and that we are accepted in Him without having to prove ourselves through religious works.

God Is Completing His Work Within Us

Believers are God’s workmanship. The kingdom rest includes trusting Him to complete what He has begun and to bring forth the life of Christ within His people.

Moving Beyond Striving

Many people become caught in the effort of trying to please God. The Family explains that what pleases Him is not anxious striving but a genuine relationship of love, faith, and trust.

Rest Is Not Passive

Resting in God does not mean doing nothing. There is worship, spiritual activity, listening, receiving, and responding to the Lord. The rest is primarily a rest within the mind, heart, and spirit.

Rest Removes Fear

When Christ becomes our rest, fear begins to lose its power. Believers can remain at peace despite tribulation, uncertainty, or troubling circumstances because they trust God’s sovereignty.

Praying From a Place of Confidence

Kingdom rest allows believers to approach the Father with the confidence that He loves them, hears them, and cares about every detail of their lives.

Everything We Need Already Exists in Christ

Peace, love, joy, life, and spiritual health do not have to be created by human effort. They are already available in the Lord and can be experienced as believers turn their attention toward Him.

Choosing What We Tune Into

The conversation compares spiritual focus to turning on a television and selecting a channel. Believers must choose daily whether they will focus on fear, circumstances, and distracting thoughts or tune their hearts to the presence and peace of the Lord.

Trusting God’s Sovereignty

Entering rest means accepting, receiving, and trusting God’s authority over everything. Believers show up with open hearts, and God accomplishes His work within them.

Key Quotes

• “There is a kingdom rest that God promised for us to walk in.”
• “The Sabbath rest is a state of heart.”
• “He’s the Sabbath rest.”
• “He’s already done the work, and He wants us to receive it. It’s a gift.”
• “So many people get caught up in the works, trying to please God. That’s not what God wants. He wants us to love Him.”
• “Rest in the presence of the Lord is not necessarily passive.”
• “There is no fear when we come into this rest.”
• “God’s already given us provisions on every level.”
• “We have to choose daily what we tune into.”
• “We show up, and He does everything.”
• “It just always comes back to believing in Him and believing in His plan.”

Scriptural References

Entering God’s Rest

Hebrews 4 (9–11) A Sabbath rest remains for the people of God, and believers are encouraged to be diligent to enter that rest. Hebrews 4 (3) Those who believe enter into God’s rest and trust in His completed work.

God’s Completed Work

John 19 (30) Jesus declared, “It is finished,” revealing the completeness of His work on the cross. Ephesians 2 (8–10) Salvation is the gift of God, not the result of human works, and believers are His workmanship created for good works. Philippians 1 (6) God is faithful to complete the good work He has begun within His people.

Christ Living Within Us

John 14 (23) Jesus said that the Father and the Son would come and make their home with those who love Him. Colossians 1 (27) Christ within the believer is the hope of glory. Galatians 2 (20) The believer no longer lives independently, but Christ lives within.

Freedom From Striving and Fear

Matthew 11 (28–30) Jesus invites those who are weary and burdened to come to Him and find rest. 2 Timothy 1 (7) God has not given His people a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind.

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Summary

This conversation centers on resting in what God has already done. The speakers emphasize that believers are not trying to earn God’s promises, blessings, love, justification, or calling. These things have already been given through Christ. The real battle is learning to reject the lies of the soul and mind, accept God’s truth, and walk out what He has already spoken. The discussion focuses on moving from striving into faith, from condemnation into acceptance, and from self-effort into standing in God’s presence. The speakers point to the reality that God has already justified, glorified, blessed, chosen, and prepared His people for His purpose. The believer’s part is to yield the will, believe the Word, and allow the Holy Spirit to unfold what God has already placed within.

Show Notes

• Main Theme: Resting in the Finished Work of GodThe conversation opens with the idea that prayer is not always about asking God for what we lack, but believing and speaking from what He has already given.
• Rejecting Condemnation and AccusationRon points to Romans 8 and the reality that believers have already been justified and glorified. Because of this, accusations and condemnation should not define us.
• Soaking in the Love of GodThe speakers emphasize that God’s love must penetrate beyond the mind and into the soul. The spirit receives God’s Word, but the soul and mind often question it.
• Accepting What God Has Already DoneDavid shares that believers must accept that they are the temple of the Holy Spirit and that God has already brought them into His purpose.
• Created for This DayKen emphasizes that God has already prepared His people for this time. They were created to speak the Word, build up the family of God, and walk in His kingdom.
• Entering His RestLois brings in Ephesians, reminding everyone that believers are God’s workmanship, created in Christ for good works prepared beforehand.
• The Battle of the WillMike says the true battle is not with outside circumstances or even Satan, but whether we will submit our will and thinking to God’s will and Word.
• Belief Must Be Walked OutRon explains that belief is more than mental agreement. True belief is proven by walking out the Word of God.
• Seeing Ourselves as God Sees UsDale shares that God sees us differently than we see ourselves, and when He reveals who we are in Christ, it also changes how we see one another.

Key Quotes

“All the things that we’re asking God for, we’re asking amiss because they’ve already been given to us.” — Ken

“Begin to bask in the glory that He’s already given us.” — Ron

“We reject the lies and accept the truth.” — Ken

“At this point, we have to accept what He has already done with us and how He plans to use us to further His kingdom.” — David

“You don’t have to work your way into stuff any longer.” — Ken

“We just need to appropriate what’s already done.” — Lois

“The true battle is over our will.” — Mike

“Do we submit our thinking to His Word, and do we allow Him to transform us?” — Mike

“Belief is not something I go, ‘Oh, I believe it.’ No, prove to me you believe it. Walk it out.” — Ron

“He sees me different than I see myself.” — Dale

Scriptural References

Romans 8 (30) This supports the theme that believers have already been justified and glorified in Christ. 1 Corinthians 6 (19) David refers to believers being the temple of the Holy Spirit, showing that God already dwells within His people. Ephesians 2 (10) Lois references believers as God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works that were prepared beforehand. Ephesians 1 (3–5) Mike points to the truth that God has blessed believers with every spiritual blessing and predestined them to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ. Hebrews 4 (9–11) This connects with the call to enter God’s rest and cease from striving in self-effort. Romans 12 (2) Mike’s point about submitting our thinking to the Word connects with being transformed by the renewing of the mind. 2 Corinthians 3 (18) The conversation reflects the truth that God is changing believers into His image as they stand in His presence. Galatians 2 (20) Monnie’s statement about being identified with Christ connects with the reality of no longer living by the old self, but by Christ living within.

Takeaway

The Christian walk is not about striving to become something God has not yet made us. It is about believing, receiving, and walking out what He has already accomplished in Christ. The battle is won as we reject the lies, yield our will, stand in His presence, and allow His Word to unfold in us.

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Summary

This conversation focuses on moving from striving in the soul and mind into the rest of God that is already available through Christ. The speakers emphasize that believers do not have to work their way into God’s presence because Christ has already opened the way to the Father. The struggle comes when the mind and soul try to understand, control, or produce what only the Spirit can bring forth. The discussion points to a simple, childlike trust in the Father. Instead of constantly striving to know the Lord by human effort, there is also the truth that the Father wants to know us and reveal who we are in Him. Mary and Martha are used as examples of the difference between being distracted by many things and being focused on ministering to what is on the Lord’s heart. The conversation closes with the thought that this is a growth process, where the Father forms us as His workmanship and brings forth the new creation within us.

Show Notes

Living from the Spirit, Not the Soul Ken opens the conversation by pointing out that the mind and soul life are not where believers truly live now. The real place of life is in the spirit. Christ Has Opened the Way to the Father Mike emphasizes that Jesus’ purpose was to bring us into the same relationship with the Father that He has. Through the cross, that door has already been opened. Rest Is Already Available The speakers bring out that rest is not something we struggle to attain. Because Christ is already in the Father’s presence, believers have access to that rest now. Moving Beyond Striving Ron talks about the long-standing drive to know the Lord, but also points out the other side of the relationship: the Lord wants to know us. True relationship with God is not built by anxious effort, but by trust and rest. The Simplicity of a Child Ron describes relaxing in the Lord like a child. A child does not carry the burden of trying to figure everything out, but simply lives and trusts. Mary and Martha Mike uses Mary and Martha to show the difference between distraction and true ministry to the Lord. Mary focused on what was needed in the moment, while Martha was pulled in many directions. Becoming His Workmanship Ken closes by describing this as a growth process. The Father works uniquely in each person, bringing forth the new creation as the old nature is laid down.

Quotes

“Your mind is not your friend. Your soul life is not your friend. The spirit is where we live now, not on the soul plane.” — Ken

“Jesus’s drive was to get us to the Father.” — Mike

“It’s not a struggling and striving, trying to get there.” — Mike

“We have access to His rest anytime we want it.” — Mike

“The Lord loves us right where we’re at.” — Ron

“There’s a flip side of that coin. The flip side is the one we always ignore, is that He wants to know us.” — Ron

“How do I relax? Like a child.” — Ron

“People don’t know how to rest.” — Ron

“Are we gonna be a Mary or a Martha?” — Mike

“You just have to do the number one thing, is trust.” — Ken

Scriptural References

Resting in the Father Through Christ John 14 (6) — Jesus is the way to the Father, and through Him the relationship with the Father is opened. John 17 (21–23) — Jesus prays that His people would be brought into the same oneness He has with the Father. Hebrews 4 (9–11) — There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, and believers are called to enter that rest. The Finished Work of Christ John 19 (30) — Jesus declares, “It is finished,” pointing to the completed work of the cross. Hebrews 10 (19–22) — Through Christ, believers have confidence to enter into the presence of God. Not Striving, but Trusting Matthew 6 (25–34) — Jesus teaches not to worry about food, clothing, or tomorrow, but to seek first the Kingdom. Psalm 46 (10) — “Be still, and know that I am God.” Proverbs 3 (5–6) — Trust in the Lord rather than leaning on human understanding. Mary and Martha Luke 10 (38–42) — Mary sits at the Lord’s feet while Martha is distracted with many things; Jesus says Mary chose the better part. John 12 (1–8) — Mary ministers to Jesus by anointing Him before His death. Being Known by the Lord Matthew 7 (21–23) — Jesus speaks of those who did works in His name, yet He says, “I never knew you.” Galatians 4 (9) — Paul speaks of not only knowing God, but being known by God. Becoming His Workmanship Ephesians 2 (10) — We are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works. 2 Corinthians 5 (17) — Anyone in Christ is a new creation. Galatians 3 (28) — In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female. Romans 8 (29) — God’s purpose is to conform us to the image of His Son.

Takeaway

The rest of God is not reached by striving, struggling, or trying to force spiritual growth through the mind. Christ has already opened the way to the Father, and His presence is available now. As we learn to trust like children, lay down the soul-life, and live from the Spirit, the Father forms us as His workmanship and brings forth the new creation within us.

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Summary

This conversation centers on the Father’s love as the foundation of true oneness. The speakers emphasize that believers cannot minister love, understand Scripture rightly, walk in Christ’s lordship, or love one another sacrificially unless they first have a living experience of the Father’s love. This love is not merely a feeling or religious idea, but an active relationship with God that matures, changes the heart, constrains the believer, and enables the Body of Christ to walk in true oneness.

Show Notes

The Father’s Love Must Be Experienced

Ron opens by saying that we cannot give what we do not have. To minister the love of God to others, including Israel, we must first personally experience the Lord’s love.

God’s Love Is the Foundation of Oneness

Ken explains that the Father’s love is the foundation of oneness. It is not something believers can manufacture in themselves. True oneness comes from His love, not human effort.

Love Changes How We See Scripture and Life

Ron points out that without God’s love, we misinterpret Scripture and even life itself. The love of the Father becomes the lens through which His lordship, His Word, and His purpose are rightly understood.

The Early Church Walked in Overwhelming Love

Ken reflects on the early church and how believers continued to follow Christ even under persecution. Their willingness to lay down their lives came from the overwhelming love of God, not from a mental belief alone.

Love Is More Than a Feeling

The speakers clarify that God’s love is not simply an emotional feeling, though it can overflow with emotion and joy. It is an experience with God that becomes a way of life and continues even through trials, testing, and practical daily walking with Him.

The Love of God Constrains Us

Mike brings out the word “constrain,” showing that the love of God draws, compels, drives, and presses believers forward. David connects this to the Holy Spirit driving Jesus into the wilderness after He was filled with the Spirit.

Love Matures Through Relationship

Cindy and Jenifier discuss how our revelation of the Father’s love grows as we mature. God’s love does not change, but the way He relates to us changes as we grow from spiritual children into maturity.

Loving God With All the Heart

Dale connects the conversation to the great commandment: loving the Lord with all the heart, soul, mind, and strength. This love grows beyond human interpretation and brings believers into a true spiritual relationship with the Father.

Receiving Love Before Giving Love

Kilyia closes with the heart of the message: God wants to love us, and He wants to be loved by us. As we allow Him to love us, we are then able to love Him and others with an intensity that meets His heart.

Key Quotes

“We can't give what we don't have.” — Ron

“This message of love from the Father is the foundation of oneness forever. It is His love, not ours.” — Ken

“We misinterpret the scriptures without His love. In fact, we misinterpret life without His love.” — Ron

“Love is not a feeling… Love is an experience with God.” — Ken

“The love of God is a usable component.” — Bill

“The love of God constrains us.” — Mike

“Revelation is a really key word here. To know His love for me.” — Cindy

“Jesus opened the door to the Father’s heart.” — Ken

“It starts that I let Him love me, and then I can love the people around me.” — Kyla

Scriptural References

God Is Love

These scriptures reveal that love begins in God Himself. We do not create divine love; we receive it from the Father and then minister it to others. 1 John 4 (8) 1 John 4 (16–19)

The Love of Christ Constrains Us

The conversation refers directly to the love of God controlling, compelling, and constraining believers to walk beyond themselves. 2 Corinthians 5 (14–15)

The Great Commandment

The speakers connect the Father’s love to loving God with the whole heart, soul, mind, and strength, and loving our neighbor as ourselves. Matthew 22 (37–40) Mark 12 (29–31) Deuteronomy 6 (4–5)

Laying Down Our Life in Love

Ken speaks of loving others with the kind of love that is willing to lay down its life. John 15 (12–13) 1 John 3 (16)

The Holy Spirit Leading and Driving Jesus

David connects the constraining work of love to the Holy Spirit driving Jesus into the wilderness. Mark 1 (10–13) Luke 4 (1–2)

Jesus Reveals the Father

The discussion emphasizes that Jesus opened the door to the Father’s heart and brought believers into relationship with Him. John 14 (6–10) John 17 (25–26) Hebrews 10 (19–22)

Growing Into Maturity Through Relationship

The speakers describe how God relates to us differently as we mature, and how relationship with the Father changes us. 2 Corinthians 3 (18) Ephesians 4