The Agile Brand with Greg Kihlstrom

As generative and agentic AI promise to accelerate everything we do, are we at risk of becoming incredibly efficient at producing forgettable customer experiences?

Today, we are here in Brooklyn at Forrester CX Forum East and we're going to talk about building better experiences with an AI-enabled design workflow. Specifically, we’ll cover:

- Balancing the speed of AI with the intentional, human-led decisions required to craft exceptional experiences.

- The role of a robust design system in scaling high-quality, AI-powered experiences consistently across the enterprise.

- How to identify high-value AI use cases for your design workflow while maintaining responsible practices that build customer trust.

To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Gina Bhawalkar, Principal Analyst at Forrester.

About Gina Bhawalkar

Gina's research focuses on digital accessibility and experience design. Gina established and now leads Forrester’s coverage of the digital accessibility space and has a deep background and interest in the topic. She advises organizations on how to establish and scale sustainable accessibility practices and is an expert on the digital accessibility platform (DAP) market. Her research on accessibility has appeared in publications such as The Wall Street Journal and The Financial Brand, and she is a frequent speaker at accessibility events and podcasts. Gina’s other areas of expertise include inclusive and responsible design, design systems, personas, and measuring the impact of digital experience design improvements.

Gina has over 20 years of experience as both a UX/CX practitioner and leader, with eight years in the financial services industry. Prior to joining Forrester, Gina was the director of customer experience research at Bank of the West, a subsidiary of BNP Paribas. There, she led the bank’s digital voice-of-the-customer program and conducted primary research to inform digital product development. Previously, Gina led the user experience and accessibility department at Scottrade, where she built the two disciplines from the ground up. Earlier in her career, Gina was a UX consultant at Perficient, leading design and research projects for clients in the financial services, agribusiness, utilities, insurance, and retail industries. She has also served as an accessibility consultant at both Criterion 508 and the Georgia Tech Research Institute.

Gina holds bachelor’s degrees in psychology and computer science from Trinity University and an MS in human-computer interaction from the Georgia Institute of Technology, where her research focused on evaluating the accessibility of physical and digital products to people with disabilities.

Gina Bhawalkar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ginabhawalkar/

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Forrester: https://www.forrester.com

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What if your next customer isn't a person, but an AI agent acting on their behalf? And what if that agent is evaluating your brand on a purely logical, data-driven basis, completely devoid of the emotional hooks your marketing has always relied on?

Agility requires not just adapting to changing customer behaviors, but also redefining who—or what—our customer even is. It demands that we build operational and strategic frameworks that can cater to both human emotional drivers and the cold, hard logic of machines.

Today, we are at Forrester CX in New York City, and we're going to talk about a fundamental shift in the customer journey: the rise of the AI agent as an influential, and in some cases, decision-making persona. This isn't just about using AI in our marketing; it's about marketing to AI. We'll explore what it means when our brand's message needs to be optimized not just for human perception, but for machine interpretation and evaluation.

To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome Chuck Gahun, Principal Analyst at Forrester.

About Chuck Gahun

Chuck is a leader in Forrester’s Digital Business & Strategy practice serving business and digital executives. His research coverage includes content management systems (CMSes), product information management (PIM) systems, and commerce services and strategy for B2B and B2C companies. Chuck helps executives design strategies that deliver customer and business value by partnering with technology vendors and services providers. Chuck has 20 years of experience in content and commerce. He specializes in digital strategy, experience design, and technology initiatives in CMSes, e-commerce systems, digital asset management (DAM) systems, PIM systems, digital experience platforms (DXPs), and several others. He has led strategy and implementations for brands like Goldman Sachs, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Hilti, Marriott, AARP, and the Centers for Disease Control. Prior to joining Forrester, Chuck was a managing director and partner at Shift7 Digital (a Merkle company) and held senior management positions at ZS Medullan and Publicis Sapient. Chuck holds a BA in government and international politics and an MS in technology management from George Mason University.

Chuck Gahun on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckgahun/

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What if the most common point of failure in your digital customer experience: the 'no results found' page, could become your greatest opportunity for conversion and discovery?

Agility requires not just adopting new technologies, but fundamentally rethinking core customer interactions, like search, that have remained static for far too long. It demands a shift from rigid rules to responsive, intelligent systems that learn from and adapt to customer intent in real time.

Today, we're going to talk about the evolution of on-site search. For years, it's been a functional, yet often frustrating, utility for customers. But with advancements in AI, it's transforming from a simple keyword-matching tool into a conversational discovery engine that can anticipate intent and drive a more intelligent customer experience.

To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome Nitin Mangtani, GM and EVP of Agentforce Commerce at Salesforce.

About Nitin Mangtani

Nitin Mangtani is the SVP & GM of Retail at Salesforce. At Salesforce, Nitin's focus is building Agent-first commerce solutions. Previously, Nitin was the Founder & CEO of PredictSpring, a leader in Modern POS. Salesforce acquired PredictSpring in September 2024.

Nitin Mangtani on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitinmangtani/

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Most leaders think about AI as a tool to analyze data or assist with tasks. But what happens when your AI becomes an autonomous agent, not just providing insights but actively orchestrating complex processes on its own?

Today, we are at PegaWorld 2026 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, and, we're going to talk about moving AI from a theoretical concept to a practical, value-driving reality. Specifically, we’ll explore:

- The transition from predictive AI to agentic AI, and what that means for orchestrating complex customer journeys.

- The architectural and data foundations required to successfully deploy autonomous AI agents at an enterprise scale.

- How this approach enables a new level of proactive, personalized engagement that improves outcomes and drives business value.

To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome Richard Rutkowski, Director of Product and Technology at enGen.

About Richard Rutkowski

Richard Rutkowski is Director of Product and Technology at enGen, where he leads the development of clinical care management solutions designed to improve patient outcomes, streamline administrative processes, and reduce healthcare costs. With a background in computer systems technology and expertise in product strategy, agile methodologies, and technology leadership, Richard works across cross-functional teams to develop and scale innovative solutions that address complex healthcare challenges. 

enGen is the technology, operations, and services company of Highmark Health, one of the largest integrated health organizations in the United States. The company provides technology, data, and business solutions that help health plans, providers, and care teams modernize operations, improve efficiency, and enhance healthcare experiences. enGen focuses on leveraging emerging technologies, including AI and automation, to simplify complex healthcare processes and drive better outcomes across the healthcare ecosystem.

Richard Rutkowski on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-rutkowski-35063410a/

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enGen: https://goengen.com/

Pega provides the leading AI-powered platform for enterprise transformation. The world’s most influential organizations trust Pega’s technology to reimagine how work gets done by automating workflows, personalizing customer experiences, and modernizing legacy systems. Since 1983, Pega’s scalable, flexible architecture has fueled continuous innovation, helping clients accelerate their path to the autonomous enterprise. Learn more at Pega.com

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What if the marketing funnel, the foundational model we've relied on for decades, is fundamentally flawed and actively misleading us about what our customers actually want?

Agility requires not just reacting quickly, but reacting with intelligence, which is impossible when your customer data is telling you the wrong story.

Today, we're going to talk about the shift from legacy metrics to a more intelligent, unified view of the customer. Specifically, we'll cover:

- Why traditional funnel metrics can obscure true customer intent and what to focus on instead.

- The architectural shift required to move from generic, disjointed interactions to a unified, personalized customer experience.

- How context-aware AI is graduating from simple automation to becoming a core driver of intelligent customer engagement.

To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome Vanessa Thompson, VP of Revenue & Growth Marketing at Twilio.

About Vanessa Thomspon

Vanessa Thompson is Vice President of Revenue & Growth Marketing at Twilio, leading a global team that drives top-of-funnel growth. Her expertise spans all facets of go-to-market including demand generation, growth, lifecycle, analytics, product marketing and product strategy. Vanessa leads high-impact initiatives that drive acquisition and fuel business expansion - helping Twilio execute its vision to make every digital interaction between consumers and businesses amazing.

Vanessa Thomspon on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vanessathomps/

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Twilo: https://www.twilio.com

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